Dee has been at it for over ten years. -, I figure whenever Paul was speaking to us through Scripture, he was drawing from his personal knowledge of the Kingdom of God rather than what he thought about it. Shame on you. Here is a short article describing the NT words used for the offices: Do you mean it was given to those elders who assisted in helping JMac continue on with his antics? Apparently MacDonald had a major meltdown on the stage, yelling so loudly that his spit could be felt by those sitting in the front row of the auditorium. MacDonald may join him next year on the Stronger Men circuit. The big issue I have is with the idea that there is this one leader, a high office that this one guy occupies in a church called the pastor. THis man should never be in a position of authority again, and even less in one of spiritual authority (whatever that may mean). Or maybe its the era of the Judges, when every man did what was right in his own sight.. with or without religious trappings. The present situation has for me the feel of exile and diaspora in the intertestamental period. Of course, Im a few miles from SEBTS and JD Greears church is on every street corner, along with all the boys at SEBTS who dont want to leave the area so there are popup churches in every strip mall. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. (Ephesians 5:11). Does anyone have examples of big churches that are emblems of integrity? Ken F (aka Tweed): LET EVERYONE REVERE THE DEACONS AS JESUS CHRIST, THE BISHOP AS THE IMAGE OF THE FATHER, AND THE PRESBYTERS AS THE SENATE OF GOD AND THE ASSEMBLY OF THE APOSTLES. Single pastor, plural pastors, plurality of elders, are pastors even a thing? Ive read that the sweet spot in church size, that combines small enough to know the flock (and small enough that all the flock can know the leaders) and large enough to be endowed with a diverse array of gifts is around 300. Thanks so much for passing on much needed information. This says you are not comfortable with God being in control, or believe he has the power to work in these earthly maters. By the end of the first century there are already offices of bishop, priest, and deacon. I rather doubt that they were able to get it right in the end. Ishy: These churches treat women so badly, but promise men all sorts of things, Matt Chandler says I preach to men. He calls female believers at TVC our girls while hes ensnares them with the beauty of complementarity., NJ: Held himself out as a model. Amy Moore, I do know from reading the Acts of Perpetua and Felicity (said to have been written in 203) that church leaders argued with each other. ++++++++++++++++++++++++. No more baptism. *the church is in a happier healthier place as a result of the accountable actions of James up urs Sherwood like to MacDonald. but ultimately it means people are brainwashed into being acquiescent, passive, accommodating, maintaining their silence. i have an observation: i know many people who dont subscribe to christianity, yet are the most excellent human beings. (As well as send a message to any possible Dissidents.) Authoritarianism can still be the order of the day in any setting of any size. It didnt reveal anything new. The first service in this new house of God was held on September 10, 1995. The teenage years are an awesome time to grow in Christ. Even the FAQ section of this blog states Dee and Deb are interested in conflict, and I am graciously assuming they mean to help resolve it, not continue or inflame it. And it appears that this started with the first generation after the original apostles since Ignatius was discipled by the Apostle John and Clement was trained under Peter and James. The true believers need to either find a local church or seek spiritual counseling because they have a VERY warped sense of church. We only saw the one tomb. Lord knows weve had enough explosions in the modern church. Funny, but I still have dreams about the former pastor. I once perceived this as a tragic loss, leading only to hopeless cynicism. All this, with the goal of getting me, my family and the Executive Elders removed ," MacDonald wrote. I am not saying that I am a proponent of hierarchy. This is not to defend JM or associates, but to note that the vision of eternal punishments that motivates (or justifies, or both) a lot of ministry in churches in the Western theological tradition (I keep coming back to that; sorry, but I have come to believe its important) puts a very heavy weight on one side of the cost/benefit calculus in ministry. I will add that I know several women who want out badly, but their husbands refuse. i understand the losses you describe, and experience them, too. I dont know, if one follows Twitter, there are several who have commented that attended church with JMac in his youth, and they have nothing positive to say about him or his character from way back. You sound like an attorney who just sent me a letter stating that I posted false statements by a victim. How many times must those facile a-historical Fundy myths be refuted before they are finally and definitively laid to rest? elastigirl: i take no more stock in what paul thinks than i do in what i think. Let the truth flow. Register today! The terminal stage 4 cancer exists. Those who did not succumb were pushed out. And theres a high likelihood this statement will get them expelled.. makes me think of being in a warm shower or warm bath, you just dont want to get out. The first three paragraphs above is what I was hoping to comment on lol. Thats when the insanity really began. He is my Fortress (part 2) Posted on July 11, 2009 by Jeff Block. Harvest Christian Fellowship is a megachurch in Riverside, California. Keep tuning in to TWW. One of my concerns with much of the Reformed world is their higher regard for doctrine and authority over the individual lost and needy soul. Or maybe their model for doing church is wrong? I spent many hours with James MacDonald at church, in his home, at Camp Harvest, and on other retreats. They should no longer be allowed to exempt themselves from the oversight which non-religious entities must abide by. Dallas Jenkins: It was given to the elders two months ago. The thought has come to me again and again (others have expressed similar views) that the Church seems to recapitulate (history rhyming if not repeating exactly) Old Israel. Now James MacDonald joins the fracas, adding his own peculiar vulgarities to the mix. Vague and almost never supported accusations, e.g., the posting of it on this website is unfortunate, as are many of the false rumors in the commentshere is always, in my experience, just a smear from someone whos actually rather cowardly and just looking to defame. Its Greshams law applied to religion: bad drives out good. Jenkins says the ultimate source of truth is the Bible, and while viewers of The Chosen will glean truths about Jesus from the show, he says their pastors should be the primary figures in helping Christians understand the Bible. That said, the bishops, priests, and deacons are supposed to be models of humility and servanthood. Harvest Bible Chapel issued a statement today: Pastor James MacDonald came upon a sleeping bear while walking in the back yard of his modest home today. I thought my disgust for James MacDonald was as low as it could go, but when I saw that photo, it took another nosedive. We were in a panic, didnt have enough hands to scramble around and cover all their eyes, which, up to this point, had been quite innocent. fear of the evil, scary worldly world. Fayetteville, AR 72703. temperate All of the above is not an option, but it seems hard to pick one over any other. Narcissistic business CEOs mistreat their subordinates and the nastiness flows downhill within the enterprise. One would think that 3 years with Jesus ought to be transformative, but the Gospels seem pretty clear that the Twelve were following Jesus at least in part in hope of high office in a future visible kingly reign over Israel. Just Do. you mentioned earlier, You dont have to watch a person for very long to discern whether that person is a grace filled believer or not. He didnt. How arrogant is that Dallas. About how you think there is something wrong with you because you dont feel the same things that they do, and soon you come to believe that you are defective or damaged goods. I envision a paradigm shift in the way we do church in America. Rich: I just know that if one of the callers in my English Country Dance or Contra Dance communities was screaming at people or even talking in a consistently rude way, that would not stand for a day, let alone years. just more places for the wolves to hide. That dog dont hunt. What is significant about Clements first letter is how he describes the church offices as an established fact rather than as something he was trying to invent from scratch. Their motives seem to have got in the way of what character development might otherwise have taken place (which certainly is reminiscent of present conditions in at least some of the churches). Ive been in churches where folks in the pew worshiped the property more than Jesus! My church is also a UMC church looking at that kind of ministry. a human-designated term. Being close only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades. The first service in this new house of God was held on September 10, 1995. In full disclosure, not even a full prof or anything big, just a lecturerand a snarky middle aged guy who was such a great lawyer I had to get a job teaching to make a living. The size of the Elgin Campus allowed us to fulfill a dream: A preschool through grade 12 Christian school, to help us implant the truths of Gods Word into the hearts of young people five days a week in addition to the weekend. No longer do I feel like I know, or need to know, or could even remotely grasp the answers to so much of life. My family get in my face from time to time over it. Years ago, I decided to go forth with my name on this blog I did it to help people who have reason to suspect that their identity could cause them problems with out of control churches If yo have a problem with anonymity, take it up with me. I can only guess, but I imagine that JMac and Hybels laid very clever traps, grooming and gradually leading people ever further into compromise and, eventually, outright sin. now if only you could do it without whining. I, personally, do find truth to be something to rejoice in. Unless it was a danger to someone. He added the promise of millions of dollars in renos and expansions, via the Closer Campaign, in order to sweeten the pot. Its like dj vu all over again. -Yogi Berra. It was given to the elders two months ago. The Story of Alleged Abuse at Sankey Orphanage in the Philippines and Its Relationship to Christ Community Chapel, Tom Randall, and Joe Coffey, Former Harvest Bible Chapel Members Want $72,000 In Donations Refunded, After Pastor James MacDonaldFired, https://swbts.edu/news/releases/game-banquet-uses-hunting-venue-spread-gospel/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwSTe9uit48, http://churchbuildingministry.org/who-we-are/, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+chosen+producers+james+macdonald&t=ffsb&ia=web, http://www.wsop.com/players/profile/?playerid=72494, http://www.globalpokerindex.com/poker-players/frederick-adams-169223/, https://classroom.synonym.com/the-role-of-the-clergy-in-the-greek-orthodox-church-12087637.html, https://www.archbalt.org/clergy-personnel-division/bishops-priests-deacons/. Rescuing those who have ears to hear is the best any of us can do. You participated in making what is now a public mockery (an absurd misrepresentation) of the holy the gospel of Jesus Christ. And who on this blog doesnt love questions to be answered and truth to be revealed. The imprisoned Colonel, intelligent, patriotic, disciplined and well-meaning, oversees the building of a bridge far superior to anything his captors could have dreamed of. Many will say to Me on that day when I judge them, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, and driven out demons in Your name, and done many miracles in Your name? And then I will declare to them publicly, I never knew you; depart from Me, you are banished from My presence, you who act wickedly disregarding My commands. (Matthew 7:21-23). Restore him to ministry? Kids Night Out. I think theres a massive problem with the deference thats given to pastors and other religious leaders. On April 8, 2012, their desire became reality as the North Shore Campus launched its first service at the Winnetka Community House. I dont think so. They all were making out pretty large with the tithes of people who thought they were giving to good causes. What they all have in common is serving self interest, whereas the crux of the life and message of Jesus is that the way to life is to lay down self and serve others. Keep reading. It is always, My friends are here, My kids depend on the youth group, or Who is going to bury me?. Harvest took in over a HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in the last 12 yrs and many of their properties were donated free and clear. Thats their business, doesnt have jack to do with church abuse. A group began meeting and praying together in 2011. Im not going to say that to you. Mel Gibsons Passion of the Christ is one of the most GRAPHIC and INTENSE and VIOLENT art films ever made. Dont let the hypocrisy of men lessen your trust in God. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. We have heard and experienced horror in groups of all models. To no avail, because his problem is not that he struggles with imperfection but that he is a fake, a phony, a self-seeking narcissist who manipulates and abuses others for self profit and aggrandizement. Dallas Jenkins, Cut corners in the case of MacDonald, Hybels, Driscoll, and assorted others meant they decided it was OK to be a little wicked if a little good could come from it. Gods blessings to you. MIGHTILY. Muff Potter: The daughter of Matt Slick (big-gun-reformed-apologist) converted to fundamental atheism. Your desire for those far flung hundreds of thousands or millions whod been influenced by his ministry to know the cold, hard truth shouldve trumped any desire to keep things in house. They been negotiating a retirement package before all the properties foreclose and theres no more cash! You have not taken full responsibility for your actions. The leaders of Harvest clearly did not shin light of problems; in fact it well documented now they were bullies/godfathers supressing thetruth. In reality both of you have despised the real Jesus and have lived a life promoting a false one that does not care how much you made or JMac. Zero current power holders at Willow Creek Community Church have uttered a single word condemning the sexual crimes of founder and 42 year leader Bill Hybels. Honest question: why does it matter what Paul thinks? To do that you must have first hand knowledge and part of that fellowship in some fashion in order to be qualified to hold people accountable before God. But nowadays I find myself wondering what that even means. There does seem to be something in Dallass attitude of a disregard for those who donated the hundreds of millions to make the whole Harvest phenomenon work. can you elaborate on what went on during and after the showing of The Passion Of The Christ? Kinda hard to swear praise and honor to the sovereign terminator while feeling sorry for his victims at the same time. If you believe you have been financially defrauded, we want to hear from you. As the author of one of the synoptic gospels, the compiler of early acts of the original Apostles, and the traveling companion of Paul, wouldnt he be the one mostly responsible for letting Paul get away with it? This man is a disgrace to humanity. Law Prof: I think Sinclair Lewis was an emotional infant and had a lot more in common with Elmer Gantry than he had the introspection to see. A shepherd does not own the sheep, but a hireling, responsible to the true owner for seeing after them, protecting them, helping them to make their way to new pastures and safe water when the old become bare. Id only add that the scar and damage to my faith as a result of Harvest is real, deeply painful, and permanent. He is faithful, gracious, merciful, kind and always desires and seeks out your best. Jesus said it is basically impossible that any rich man ever makes it into Gods Kingdom, and you and the others have ignored that. Sadly, many have not served well. Great comment! In our services, our ministries, our music-in everything we do at Harvest, our passion and focus are to bring God glory through His Son Jesus Christ. He stands to shield me from danger Im also going to be annoyed if James McDonald pulls a Mark Driscoll and starts up a new church. PJ: Be wary of falling into the trappings you so boldly wish expose. If I read this right, Guidepost will stay quiet when the SBC gets upset? But first you must go before your brother in If GP will cave to SBC outrage over a tweet in order to GET the contract, what else might they quietly cave on for the sake of KEEPING the contract or for getting the next one? At a lot of these churches, you try and start an unapproved Bible study on the side, theyll shut it down or insist on putting an approved church leader in control. The 7 elders below were given an opportunity to step down and avoid this lawsuit. Someone needs to write an article about the fake church watchdog industrial complex, including but not necessarily limitied to ECFA, MinistrySafe, Best Christian Workplace Institute. And after a brief pause in this mission, Harvest is returning to planting more and better churches by raising up more and better Christian leaders across Chicagoland, America, and around the world. Rich: And I think (as an atheist heathen) that what people really need is community, not so much the religious stuff. If leaders and led live like this, the details of polity scarcely matter. All three words refer to one position or office within the church, that of the elders. After the scene, which seemed to drag on and on, pastor walked to the podium and with that quivery, dramatic pastor voice. Thousands came and all seven campuses hosted these spectacular services all at one location! (which for me is the whole idea. I struggle to pray, to read the Bible. My new son-in-law is a United Methodist pastor. In the last two years, 75% of the Executive Leadership team has left HBC. Max: That clearly does not describe James MacDonald and HBC elders who are coming forth one at a time to confess their roles in the great deception in Chicago. Why? The laity has a huge role in keeping leaders in check, at least theoretically. To new commenters 1. 4107 N Steele Blvd, Fayetteville, AR, 72703, United States. they also have worthy things to say which others benefit from. this is because the powerbrokers have the mic. Just let go of the reins, lil woman, and submit to your God-given, masculine authorities . Today Harvest Bible Chapel is a family of Christ-adoring worshipers on multiple campuses throughout Chicagoland. "I believe (that is) my job in my personal life. In our common language, we use the word elder to describe one who is older than ourselves. What I see, I cant un-see; what I know I cant un-know its in my knower! Consider the listing of qualifications which Paul wrote to Titus and Titus: A BISHOP MUST BE Clevin: Does anyone have examples of big churches that are emblems of integrity? All that we could come up with was that we, and they, were faithful and generous givers and attenders of the mens bible study. It has reference to one who is seen as a care giver, or guardian for the church. TS00: Never, and I mean never, have I heard someone say, I would leave, but I just cant survive without the gifted teaching. Once credibility is lost, it is hard to regain. BTW, I am 99.99% sure that my 86-year-old mother can be trusted. Perpetua herself (the presumed writer of most of the Acts) also spends a lot of time talking about prophetic dreams and suchlike. it has a b in it. When you pay for it then maybe you can make your own rules. Further, a cental message of the Bible, as I learned over many, many years, is that mankind is fallen, and religious leaders/system are fallen, in many ways more fallen than the secular/hunanistic world that so many religous leaders rail against. A few final remarks concerning the pastors. If for no other reasons, the statements must be public so that the people of HBC see what their Elders saw. there was no way i could see that movie, even as a full-fledged crusty, jaded adult. Which really Goes against believing in an all powerful creator God almighty. The churchs vision was to plant 10 churches in 10 years. By 2002, our church-planting ministry Harvest Bible Fellowship (HBF) was formed, and ten churches were plantedin just four years! of course lightning bolt messages from God come about as often as seas parting. The only reason you dont want exposure is because you dont want damage to your film career. Churchgoers in 21st century America are just too gullible to keep these folks out of the pulpit. Hey, if you look at JMACs Instagram he has a pic from fall of 2018 praising Mark Driscolls new book? TS00: I find it very comforting to know that Jesus entered into a world that was very similar to what we now face: Religion had become a caricature of what God desired, and Jesus gently called people to follow him, rather than fear men. Also little league and some other community services no charge. You dont get to ask for silence now. If I understand your former function at Harvest (based on what you said in your letter) your job involved presenting and tightly controlling the Harvest narrative through media. Im not holding my breath. Watch Video. Your newfound joy is where I, too, am seeing Gods fingerprints, and why I am holding out hope that my faith will survive. No. Conversational-type sermons, contemporary worship music, come-as-you-are. I think this is how these pastors maintain tribal loyalties. In the military, the largest combat unit in which the commander leads from the front is the battalion, about 300-400 combat troops. Are we any better? husband of one wife and a Pastor. Good Lord, how does that happen?! Every church leader should be good and honest. And you sound profoundly arrogant. Then, Rick Donald, James MacDonald, and Elder Steve Huston worked to suppress them from the rest of the Elders. these are their personal standards. If a familys personal pain about a very private matter doesnt fit that category, I dont know what would. Our musicians have taken to heart the mission, core, and purpose of Vertical Church music: To write songs of ascription for the church to use in worshiping Christ around the world. I am sorry for your pain. not quarrelsome Those of us who have come out of destructive groups like these can assure the survivors that there are other people out there who will love you back into soul health, there are other schools for your children who will treat them right, and some day you will look back on this time and thank God that He pulled you through it. Instead, all the surviving records appear to show the Church was liturgical and sacramental from the beginning, with established offices of bishops, priests, and deacons. More Events. (1 Peter 4:14). I knew of one really good church in Chapel Hill (Chapel Hill Bible Church) for years ago. Jenkins is a former member of the Executive Leadership Team at Harvest Bible Chapel where he served as the Executive Director of Vertical Church Media. That was 30 years ago and it proved to be true. It's literally in his DNA, as his father Jerry is the co-author of the popular LeftBehind series of religious novels. That someone who was on the point of dying took time to write these dreams down is remarkable in and of itself. As a Christian, how could they do otherwise? I guess I mean that a person, on his or her own, cant do it without God working it out in that person. A friend became nearly apoplectic when I tried to explain this. Concerned for the vulnerable animals safety, he left his own gun by its side. There are some 30,000 Christian denominations and parachurch organizations in the world. It was leaked. part of it a fear of the outside that is purposely cultivated in church environments. Worse, I believe this shows arrogance on Dees part And believe you me Unless you give facts and verifiable information how do we know this is not part of a plan to cover things up? Looks like they got down into the great-grandchildren before the Church degenerated to the ways of the gentiles. 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